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  <title type="text">sci.engr.color Google Group</title>
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  The art, science, and industry of coloring.
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  <updated>2010-03-09T21:53:31Z</updated>
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  <name>fitz</name>
  <email>zeus...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-09T21:53:31Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.de/group/sci.engr.color/browse_thread/thread/c191ec66c7d7ba54/a7bf02d10cb38fea?show_docid=a7bf02d10cb38fea</id>
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  <title type="text">Einstein&#39;s Biggest Blunder - - Wasn&#39;t??</title>
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  Einstein&#39;s Biggest Blunder - - Wasn&#39;t?? &lt;br&gt; a bit more light about it &lt;br&gt; (click link) &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.amperefitz.com/einsteins.blunder.htm&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; Enjoy, &lt;br&gt; Fitz
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  <author>
  <name>fitz</name>
  <email>zeus...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-03T21:15:39Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.de/group/sci.engr.color/browse_thread/thread/da09f13e65163f76/3a89e0c70d6030d6?show_docid=3a89e0c70d6030d6"/>
  <title type="text">Magnetism is really -- WHAT?</title>
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  Magnetism is really -- WHAT? &lt;br&gt; (click link) &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.amperefitz.com/lawrm.htm&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; Enjoy, &lt;br&gt; Fitz
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  <author>
  <name>Dieter Michel</name>
  <email>dmic...@prosound.de</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-02T23:37:07Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Condela measurement</title>
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  Hi Douglas, &lt;br&gt; you are right - I confused luminous intensity with luminance here, &lt;br&gt; probably because it&#39;s the latter I use measure regularly. &lt;br&gt; Best regards, &lt;br&gt; Dieter Michel
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  <author>
  <name>Saeideh Gorji</name>
  <email>gorj...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-02T09:44:10Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Condela measurement</title>
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  On Mar 1, 11:15 pm, &amp;quot;Douglas G. Cummins&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; Thanks a lot Dieter &amp;amp; Douglas &lt;br&gt; I am going to measure the luminance of a blue LED
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  <author>
  <name>Douglas G. Cummins</name>
  <email>douglas.cumm...@mapsoncalcoast-itl.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-01T20:15:16Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Condela measurement</title>
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  Probably not. You can calculate luminous intensity (Candelas) from &lt;br&gt; illuminance (Lux) by the formula I (Cd) = E (Lux) x [d (m)]², however &lt;br&gt; the distance d must be at least 5 times the source diameter. The i1 &lt;br&gt; measures luminance at very close distances (typically the surface of a &lt;br&gt; monitor or print which is much less than 5x the source diameter).
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  <author>
  <name>Dieter Michel</name>
  <email>dmic...@prosound.de</email>
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  <updated>2010-02-28T20:11:59Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Condela measurement</title>
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  Hi Saeideh, &lt;br&gt; basically yes. As far as I know, the Eye-One is predominantly &lt;br&gt; made for the calibration of (computer) screens and projectors, &lt;br&gt; i.e. light sources of relative large size compared to the meter. &lt;br&gt; It does, however, not have an optical viewfinder, so it&#39;s - to my &lt;br&gt; mind - not that simple to correctly aim the meter at very small light
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  <author>
  <name>Saeideh Gorji</name>
  <email>gorj...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-02-28T12:49:32Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Condela measurement</title>
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  Hi &lt;br&gt; dear friends, &lt;br&gt; I am going to measure the light intensity with candela unit of a light &lt;br&gt; source. Would you please let me know whether Eye-One spectroradiomiter &lt;br&gt; can do it? &lt;br&gt; Thanks
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  <author>
  <name>Mike Russell</name>
  <email>group...@movecurvemeister.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-02-28T02:52:12Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.de/group/sci.engr.color/browse_thread/thread/1bfc29814c75c1d2/199dd508b80fdb2b?show_docid=199dd508b80fdb2b"/>
  <title type="text">Re: How to decompose RGB into RGBCMY components</title>
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  Hi Ahauser, &lt;br&gt; No spreadsheet, sorry. Do a google for Bruce Lindebloom for info and &lt;br&gt; equations for converting to and from HSB, &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.alvyraysmith.com&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; has some &lt;br&gt; interesting information on HSB - historical and mathmatical, and the use of &lt;br&gt; alpha channel masking. The original SIGRAPH paper by Porter and Duff is
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  <name>grADE</name>
  <email>ahfor...@iris-digital.org</email>
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  <updated>2010-02-28T01:11:32Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.de/group/sci.engr.color/browse_thread/thread/1bfc29814c75c1d2/6180634a55798e10?show_docid=6180634a55798e10"/>
  <title type="text">Re: How to decompose RGB into RGBCMY components</title>
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  Thanks Mike , &lt;br&gt; that sounds quite promising. &lt;br&gt; Without asking for everything do you have a example spreadsheet.xls &lt;br&gt; that may &lt;br&gt; provide an example as to your method? &lt;br&gt; Ahauser &lt;br&gt; On Feb 25, 6:47 am, Mike Russell &amp;lt;group...@MOVEcurvemeister.com &amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote:
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  <author>
  <name>fitz</name>
  <email>zeus...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-02-26T14:47:58Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.de/group/sci.engr.color/browse_thread/thread/eed7b2f3f048b10f/a2928d52fee49948?show_docid=a2928d52fee49948"/>
  <title type="text">Not Quite Everything for a Theory of Everything</title>
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  Not Quite Everything for a Theory of Everything &lt;br&gt; (click link) &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.amperefitz.com/not.quite.everything.for.a.theory.of.everything.htm&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; Enjoy, &lt;br&gt; Fitz
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  <author>
  <name>Mike Russell</name>
  <email>group...@movecurvemeister.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-02-24T19:47:56Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: How to decompose RGB into RGBCMY components</title>
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  Lab space would be the simplest. Start with two user selectable input &lt;br&gt; values, the hue angle you want to modify (target angle), and the angle by &lt;br&gt; which you want to shift the hue (offset angle). &lt;br&gt; For each pixel, calculate a mask value as atan2(a, b) + K, where K is an &lt;br&gt; offset to make the primaries line up reasonably well with expectations.
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  <author>
  <name>Thomas Richter</name>
  <email>t...@math.tu-berlin.de</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-02-24T08:26:57Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.de/group/sci.engr.color/browse_thread/thread/1bfc29814c75c1d2/700c06cc8ac83fd3?show_docid=700c06cc8ac83fd3"/>
  <title type="text">Re: How to decompose RGB into RGBCMY components</title>
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  grADE schrieb: &lt;br&gt; The problem is that this is an ill-posed problem. You map a &lt;br&gt; three-dimensional space onto a six-dimensional one, leaving lots of &lt;br&gt; ambiguities. For example, the map (r,g,b) -&amp;gt; (r,g,b,0,0,0) would &lt;br&gt; formally be correct (map RGB to RGBCMY) without any &amp;quot;loss&amp;quot;, but it is &lt;br&gt; surely not what you want, correct? If so, you need give additional
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>grADE</name>
  <email>ahfor...@iris-digital.org</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-02-23T23:07:50Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: How to decompose RGB into RGBCMY components</title>
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  Thanks Thomas, &lt;br&gt; But I am not trying to use a CMY space as you say. I am looking for a &lt;br&gt; formula &lt;br&gt; to decompose RGB into 6 individual RGBCMY components so as I can &lt;br&gt; control the saturation and hue &lt;br&gt; of those 6 individual vectors. I understand the vectors will need a &lt;br&gt; soft masking as of course they &lt;br&gt; bleed into one another.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Thomas Richter</name>
  <email>t...@math.tu-berlin.de</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-02-23T07:47:54Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.de/group/sci.engr.color/browse_thread/thread/1bfc29814c75c1d2/9791f0ef5f3e7552?show_docid=9791f0ef5f3e7552"/>
  <title type="text">Re: How to decompose RGB into RGBCMY components</title>
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  grADE schrieb: &lt;br&gt; It is first of all an ill-posed question because there is not &amp;quot;the&amp;quot; CMY &lt;br&gt; space. CMY is defined by the absorption curves of the printer inks, and &lt;br&gt; results can vary dramatically depending on the inks. &lt;br&gt; You may, for &amp;quot;ideal inks&amp;quot; come up with a conversion that takes you from &lt;br&gt; *a* (!) RGB space to *an* ideal CMY space, but I wouldn&#39;t expect any
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>grADE</name>
  <email>ahfor...@iris-digital.org</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-02-18T23:42:38Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: How to decompose RGB into RGBCMY components</title>
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  Thanks Mike, &lt;br&gt; This is exactly what I am trying to do. &lt;br&gt; Is it possible to do this programatically with a Matrix? &lt;br&gt; I have been performing RGB primary adjustments using 3x3 matrices &lt;br&gt; and am looking to add an interface that gives me enhanced control of &lt;br&gt; individual RGBCMY &lt;br&gt; hue and saturation. I could perform this in RGB, XYZ or LAB space if
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